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Post by skipbayless on Dec 19, 2022 21:42:43 GMT -6
Meh, I don't see much wrong with the current population/import limitations. Like said above those teams are free to join another league or play the other leagues with player restrictions. The Elite rule is just lazy and should be abolished, an import is an import. There are plenty of guys who played JR B that are better SR players than another guy who played JR A. Also, why punish towns for having well run teams with good local players?
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Post by Someguy on Dec 20, 2022 1:25:47 GMT -6
Less divisions and less strict rules is the answer.
A - unlimited imports.
B- 3 elite imports.
C - 0 elite imports.
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Post by skipbayless on Dec 20, 2022 7:53:54 GMT -6
Less divisions and less strict rules is the answer. A - unlimited imports. B- 3 elite imports. C - 0 elite imports. Sorry but that just sounds terrible. Most leagues run 3 imports and 2 exceptions (3 year rule). So right off the bat the majority of teams might not even be eligible for B. Pretty sure the exceptions are being scrapped and just going to a standard 5 import spots anyways. |
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Post by rr11 on Dec 20, 2022 8:18:09 GMT -6
Can I go back to the purpose of my original post? It was very much to find a way to have some meaningful yet competitive playoffs for senior teams that could not compete in the current system, not to up-heave the current system. In rural areas the reality is some teams can't compete, why not make regional championships for teams with no imports? No Banner chasing, just local teams seeing different teams and extending their season to help the local rink. It may be glorified rec, but a lot of small towns that could have more competitive games and sell some rink burgers and beer might appreciate it. But Craik is not allowed to enter lol. I mentioned in previous posts on this discussion...I don't believe there's much of an appetite for half of the senior teams in the province to compete in provincials. These teams and their communities are happy to have a local senior team where locals and a few imports can play and help keep the rink open during the winter. To be fair, competing for a regional championship would likely lose its luster pretty quickly...it's hard enough for some teams to get players to travel an hour or 2 on a -25C Sat night road game, imagine trying to schedule extra games for a regional championship in Feb-Mar towards the end of the season with ref shortages, this would be problematic. Would SHA even sanction this sort of thing? Entering provincials for some teams is not the be all end all, the league is more important to them and are quite content with that. The current population + import rules are such that it enables more teams to enter should they choose to do so with A > 5,000 with no import rules, B </= 5,000 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions and C/D </= 3,500 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions. If there was a huge desire for more teams to enter...the rules favor them to do so (ie: combine two towns to enter C or B; add a player from a small center for a team to enter C/D). The current system works...it isn't designed to be a fit for all 100+ senior teams. |
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Post by Gunit on Dec 20, 2022 9:37:44 GMT -6
Can I go back to the purpose of my original post? It was very much to find a way to have some meaningful yet competitive playoffs for senior teams that could not compete in the current system, not to up-heave the current system. In rural areas the reality is some teams can't compete, why not make regional championships for teams with no imports? No Banner chasing, just local teams seeing different teams and extending their season to help the local rink. It may be glorified rec, but a lot of small towns that could have more competitive games and sell some rink burgers and beer might appreciate it. But Craik is not allowed to enter lol. I mentioned in previous posts on this discussion...I don't believe there's much of an appetite for half of the senior teams in the province to compete in provincials. These teams and their communities are happy to have a local senior team where locals and a few imports can play and help keep the rink open during the winter. To be fair, competing for a regional championship would likely lose its luster pretty quickly...it's hard enough for some teams to get players to travel an hour or 2 on a -25C Sat night road game, imagine trying to schedule extra games for a regional championship in Feb-Mar towards the end of the season with ref shortages, this would be problematic. Would SHA even sanction this sort of thing? Entering provincials for some teams is not the be all end all, the league is more important to them and are quite content with that. The current population + import rules are such that it enables more teams to enter should they choose to do so with A > 5,000 with no import rules, B </= 5,000 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions and C/D </= 3,500 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions. If there was a huge desire for more teams to enter...the rules favor them to do so (ie: combine two towns to enter C or B; add a player from a small center for a team to enter C/D). The current system works...it isn't designed to be a fit for all 100+ senior teams. I find it hard to disagree with this. Provincials isn't for everyone. My comments in the discussion was only around ways to add more teams but it isn't on everyone's goal list. It is each league's responsibility to amend their own rules to ensure viability Prov is another matter and completely cyclical. Realistically you may get 10 years max out of a group and it's very hard to keep that train moving. One team that comes to mind as being able to sort of fend that off is Kyle. Other elite teams have not been so lucky (Balgonie, Bethune, Watrous). |
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Post by sexycoil5000 on Dec 20, 2022 12:27:57 GMT -6
I wont disagree the current system does work but... Increasing the allowed non imports or "exceptions" is maybe one simple change that could be made to increase the competition and entrants into provincials for sure.. There are a million different ways to skin this cat. But am I completely crazy for (once again) saying that teams could simply be ranked,,,  I am not even sure it would change the end outcome! Kyle, Wilkie, Drake, et al. are still likely going to end up winners in the end. If you wanna load up with a league all star team- you get thrown into A with the big dogs. If you wanna roll with your squad you've had all year full of ex junior B, house league, and midget AA players, you can still do that too.. The problem with the current system is that it assumes: player is from bigger center = player is better. Baseball sask will probably tell you it isn't easy, but they sure are getting a lot of entries nowadays |
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Post by zambonidriver on Dec 21, 2022 11:01:01 GMT -6
I mentioned in previous posts on this discussion...I don't believe there's much of an appetite for half of the senior teams in the province to compete in provincials. These teams and their communities are happy to have a local senior team where locals and a few imports can play and help keep the rink open during the winter. To be fair, competing for a regional championship would likely lose its luster pretty quickly...it's hard enough for some teams to get players to travel an hour or 2 on a -25C Sat night road game, imagine trying to schedule extra games for a regional championship in Feb-Mar towards the end of the season with ref shortages, this would be problematic. Would SHA even sanction this sort of thing? Entering provincials for some teams is not the be all end all, the league is more important to them and are quite content with that. The current population + import rules are such that it enables more teams to enter should they choose to do so with A > 5,000 with no import rules, B </= 5,000 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions and C/D </= 3,500 with 3 imports + 2 exceptions. If there was a huge desire for more teams to enter...the rules favor them to do so (ie: combine two towns to enter C or B; add a player from a small center for a team to enter C/D). The current system works...it isn't designed to be a fit for all 100+ senior teams. I find it hard to disagree with this. Provincials isn't for everyone. My comments in the discussion was only around ways to add more teams but it isn't on everyone's goal list. It is each league's responsibility to amend their own rules to ensure viability Prov is another matter and completely cyclical. Realistically you may get 10 years max out of a group and it's very hard to keep that train moving. One team that comes to mind as being able to sort of fend that off is Kyle. Other elite teams have not been so lucky (Balgonie, Bethune, Watrous). Totally Agree, for a lot of towns its tough enough to ice a team to begin with, adding in more games just makes things more challenging. and for sure its cyclical, like with the teams you mentioned. Also covid screwed a lot of teams i think... older guys that maybe were 2-3 years away from packing it in got that year off and said nah i'm good now. Typically those older guys are leaders and decent players to. Whats going on now is towns are basically trying to buy an A championship... can't honestly see many of them making money on provincials. and likely they don't care. I def. don't agree with dropping the exception rule... that is a reward for the team for keeping players around... thats part of being able to build a stronger team. |
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Post by Sasky on Dec 21, 2022 11:08:06 GMT -6
I think there will be less teams in provincials this year than Ever before. Some people in here don’t see this as an issue. But too me it’s a massive issue.
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Post by hugehorn on Dec 21, 2022 11:50:50 GMT -6
I find it hard to disagree with this. Provincials isn't for everyone. My comments in the discussion was only around ways to add more teams but it isn't on everyone's goal list. It is each league's responsibility to amend their own rules to ensure viability Prov is another matter and completely cyclical. Realistically you may get 10 years max out of a group and it's very hard to keep that train moving. One team that comes to mind as being able to sort of fend that off is Kyle. Other elite teams have not been so lucky (Balgonie, Bethune, Watrous). Totally Agree, for a lot of towns its tough enough to ice a team to begin with, adding in more games just makes things more challenging. and for sure its cyclical, like with the teams you mentioned. Also covid screwed a lot of teams i think... older guys that maybe were 2-3 years away from packing it in got that year off and said nah i'm good now. Typically those older guys are leaders and decent players to. Whats going on now is towns are basically trying to buy an A championship... can't honestly see many of them making money on provincials. and likely they don't care. I def. don't agree with dropping the exception rule... that is a reward for the team for keeping players around... thats part of being able to build a stronger team. Those teams can still keep those players around. Instead of 3 imports + 2 exceptions, it'll be 5 imports + 0 exceptions - there is no net difference. |
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Post by sexycoil5000 on Dec 21, 2022 13:20:17 GMT -6
Totally Agree, for a lot of towns its tough enough to ice a team to begin with, adding in more games just makes things more challenging. and for sure its cyclical, like with the teams you mentioned. Also covid screwed a lot of teams i think... older guys that maybe were 2-3 years away from packing it in got that year off and said nah i'm good now. Typically those older guys are leaders and decent players to. Whats going on now is towns are basically trying to buy an A championship... can't honestly see many of them making money on provincials. and likely they don't care. I def. don't agree with dropping the exception rule... that is a reward for the team for keeping players around... thats part of being able to build a stronger team. Those teams can still keep those players around. Instead of 3 imports + 2 exceptions, it'll be 5 imports + 0 exceptions - there is no net difference. But by allowing more exceptions there will be more teams who fit the mold.. example: John doe who is from moose jaw and played midget house or AA with a kid from assiniboia is sticking around home. decides to play senior in assiniboia. 4 years later assiniboia still cannot take him to provincials because they have to take MJ population if exceptions and imports are filled up. not a difference maker, but probably part of the team core and community,, these are where the majority of the issues lie. rank the teams. |
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Post by RoadBeers on Dec 24, 2022 11:16:21 GMT -6
I agree with what you are saying. It would also give more teams incentive to go provincials. A lot of teams don’t enter any categorie cause they know they will blown out 20-0 in the first round. Would be nice to start a new division, E for teams with non- elite or a set number of elites. More teams from Wheatland and SPHL could compete and fill small town rinks I like the idea, we need more teams entering provincials. The Brackets should be filled with lots of teams. I feel like it’s getting smaller every season. You would think hockey Saskatchewan would notice this?? Haha no, Kelly Mclintok is a dumbass. He doesn’t want to benefit hockey. He needs to go. |
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Post by Joker on Dec 24, 2022 19:21:48 GMT -6
1000%. This year is an all time low for entries from what I have heard
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Post by Tuffnell on Dec 24, 2022 20:35:16 GMT -6
1000%. This year is an all time low for entries from what I have heard Can confirm that's not true. Provincial registration is above average this year. |
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Post by mrhockey on Dec 26, 2022 23:07:05 GMT -6
Since we’re all talking about provincials, and why does it seem like we’re getting fewer teams each year. Is it possible it’s just because there is less teams in senior hockey today. Does any one know the numbers from let’s say , 10,20, and 30 years ago. Then Figure out why that be , and then we might be getting somewhere.
-Money ( needed to compete by buying elite players with teams that have lots to spend)
- even money needed to run day to cost
-A lot Less kids playing in small towns so less players available for their local senior hockey down the road.
- old rinks are falling apart forcing teams to fold or join other teams
- travel is getting to be to much is some leagues.
- selfish teams in certain leagues that would rather a team fold than join there league.
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Post by Bob Richmond on Dec 27, 2022 10:42:10 GMT -6
Provincial numbers are NOT down from recent years despite what everyone is yapping about. There actually up from last year. You can change the format/ rules all you want it's not going to make more teams enter! 1 it's alot of travel and it's more hockey that some teams and players just aren't willing to commit to, and that's ok!
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I am not even sure it would change the end outcome! Kyle, Wilkie, Drake, et al. are still likely going to end up winners in the end. If you wanna load up with a league all star team- you get thrown into A with the big dogs. If you wanna roll with your squad you've had all year full of ex junior B, house league, and midget AA players, you can still do that too.. 