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Post by 5th liner on Dec 19, 2022 16:41:49 GMT -6
Also I’m not 100% on the ranking system but it could be helpful to teams like the Twin Rivers teams. A lot of these teams have combined towns and add in PA or Saskatoon players but they could never enter their team in A. And they have to drop guys to enter lower Divisions but the build up of teams like this is much different than a Kenaston type. Having 3 ex huskies as non imports is a lot different than having junior b or AA failures as non imports. Some guys just want to play hockey and some towns just need players and can’t pay top tier guys There’s plenty of other leagues the teams in the twin rivers could join if want to take provincials serious. 3/4 of these teams are glorified rec teams should not be punishing teams in other leagues to make things more competitive for them. Yeah I hear you. Just spitballing on the subject. Thinking of ways to get more teams involved is all. Not trying to take a title away from anyone lol. I don’t think there would be anything wrong with more teams in provincials |
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Post by Provincial Commissioner on Dec 19, 2022 16:42:38 GMT -6
And this would still give us a lot of very exciting hockey. But increase the communities that get to see it.
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Post by hugehorn on Dec 19, 2022 16:47:35 GMT -6
An 'E' bracket cannot be a thing...
With A, B, C, & D brackets, there's enough space for 64 teams (had 42 signups last year). I could get behind re-working the rules as others have mentioned, something like:
A - greater than 4,500 population + 5 imports
B - greater than 3,500 population + 5 imports
C - greater than 1,500 population + 5 imports
D - less than 1,500 population, no imports
This system would force teams like Kyle, Kenaston, Craik, etc, to move up to the C bracket due to the imports they carry. This would then open the door for weaker teams which run on true locals to enter the D bracket.
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Post by cheeseburger on Dec 19, 2022 17:16:32 GMT -6
An 'E' bracket cannot be a thing... With A, B, C, & D brackets, there's enough space for 64 teams (had 42 signups last year). I could get behind re-working the rules as others have mentioned, something like: A - greater than 4,500 population + 5 imports B - greater than 3,500 population + 5 imports C - greater than 1,500 population + 5 imports D - less than 1,500 population, no imports This system would force teams like Kyle, Kenaston, Craik, etc, to move up to the C bracket due to the imports they carry. This would then open the door for weaker teams which run on true locals to enter the D bracket. I like this idea but maybe change D to one import ? |
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Post by hugehorn on Dec 19, 2022 17:21:15 GMT -6
An 'E' bracket cannot be a thing... With A, B, C, & D brackets, there's enough space for 64 teams (had 42 signups last year). I could get behind re-working the rules as others have mentioned, something like: A - greater than 4,500 population + 5 imports B - greater than 3,500 population + 5 imports C - greater than 1,500 population + 5 imports D - less than 1,500 population, no imports This system would force teams like Kyle, Kenaston, Craik, etc, to move up to the C bracket due to the imports they carry. This would then open the door for weaker teams which run on true locals to enter the D bracket. I like this idea but maybe change D to one import ? Yeah that’d make sense. Lots of towns need an import spot just to bring in a goaltender. |
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Post by 5th liner on Dec 19, 2022 17:25:52 GMT -6
I like this idea but maybe change D to one import ? Yeah that’d make sense. Lots of towns need an import spot just to bring in a goaltender. What about non imports? That’s a big difference between a Kenaston and a team further from the city |
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Post by inone69 on Dec 19, 2022 18:20:55 GMT -6
I find it quite funny that when Kyle was paying Boehm and co to win league and provincials, or when FL was paying Leech $700/gm and knocked Kenaston out of provincials, it was awfully quiet as far as rule changes go. Now that Kenaston has had some sustained success for what, 14 months, now they’re are the example of why rules need to be changed?? Because of one league championship in 25 yrs, and a provincial title, first one in 10?? Teams pickup players throughout the province, it’s the same rules for everyone. Some teams don’t want to commit to playing 2-3 games a week until the end of March, some don’t have the talent. But to use a small towns recent success as an example of why things need to be changed is laughable. Go watch adult safe in Saskatoon if you want to see that, I prefer to watch Kenaston/Craik, Davidson/Dinsmore, or Outlook/Kindersley. Damn good hockey right there. You’re an idiot. Slightly arrogant comment clearly from a Kenaston guy. It’s got nothing to do with whose paying who or whose currently the best. The point that a lot of people want is the best teams all playing against each other for the same title. If Kenaston is the best team they should be playing against the other best teams for the best competition and the best hockey to watch. I’ve never said there’s anything wrong with Kenaston lol entering D if they fit within the rules. I’m saying the rules aren’t good. The system would be way better if some of the shittier teams could enter against other shitty teams in the lower divisions. But for now teams don’t want to enter because they know they will get smoked by a few of the top teams in D/C. No idea how to do it, but a system that pits the top teams against the top teams would be the best especially if it allowed for different tiers. This would get more teams entering and allow the teams that either don’t have ten ex junior players or can’t afford to bring in imports. No one faults Kenaston for not wanting to play the best teams because the system allows for it currently. Kenaston, Kyle, Craik, Macklin and Edam were all in D last year. Any one of these these teams could of easily won C or B. You want to punish them for being small towns and having good local players that played junior. Most the teams in the twin rivers couldn’t even enter D because they have players from all over. Make the twin rivers winner play the SPHL champion and give them a provincial banner and quit asking to punish other towns for having a good local talent. |
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Post by inone69 on Dec 19, 2022 18:26:43 GMT -6
What about non imports? That’s a big difference between a Kenaston and a team further from the city I think the “non-import” spot, playing 3 years for a team and suddenly no longer being an import, will not be a thing anymore by SHA ruling after this season. And that’s good. It shouldn’t matter if a former AHLer from Saskatoon has played in some village for 3 years - he’s still an import. Non-imports are way to reward teams. Lots of these guys who are from out of town and play that long usually bring something to the community while other guys who are switching teams every few years usually collect pay cheques until a bigger offer shows up. |
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Post by Todd Van Poppell on Dec 19, 2022 19:13:56 GMT -6
I think the “non-import” spot, playing 3 years for a team and suddenly no longer being an import, will not be a thing anymore by SHA ruling after this season. And that’s good. It shouldn’t matter if a former AHLer from Saskatoon has played in some village for 3 years - he’s still an import. Non-imports are way to reward teams. Lots of these guys who are from out of town and play that long usually bring something to the community while other guys who are switching teams every few years usually collect pay cheques until a bigger offer shows up. |
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Post by Todd Van Poppell on Dec 19, 2022 19:19:30 GMT -6
Not to mention it’s a way to reward organizations who stick it out year after year, through the bad years etc. If they can get an older import who shows loyalty then for sure there should be incentive for that. These teams that fire up for 2 years, run out of money and take a leave of absence for 3 years, then come back and cry that it’s unfair other teams in the league get 2 “non-import” (grandfathered) players. Something to be said about communities that are consistent and don’t fold up shop when facing a rebuild or some tough years ahead. I think the “non-import” spot, playing 3 years for a team and suddenly no longer being an import, will not be a thing anymore by SHA ruling after this season. And that’s good. It shouldn’t matter if a former AHLer from Saskatoon has played in some village for 3 years - he’s still an import. Non-imports are way to reward teams. Lots of these guys who are from out of town and play that long usually bring something to the community while other guys who are switching teams every few years usually collect pay cheques until a bigger offer shows up. |
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Post by Provincial commissioner on Dec 19, 2022 20:06:59 GMT -6
An 'E' bracket cannot be a thing... With A, B, C, & D brackets, there's enough space for 64 teams (had 42 signups last year). I could get behind re-working the rules as others have mentioned, something like: A - greater than 4,500 population + 5 imports B - greater than 3,500 population + 5 imports C - greater than 1,500 population + 5 imports D - less than 1,500 population, no imports This system would force teams like Kyle, Kenaston, Craik, etc, to move up to the C bracket due to the imports they carry. This would then open the door for weaker teams which run on true locals to enter the D bracket. I think this is the idea I like the best with a bit of tweaking. Maybe 1 import for the bottom level. And three for the next level. And then five for the top two levels. And then if you want you can choose to enter A or B if you have too many imports for c or d. Or pick up populations. Get rid of the non imports. The places that have the most non imports usually have the most money. |
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Post by lightning on Dec 19, 2022 20:15:05 GMT -6
I dont think there is anything wrong with the current format. A problem only arraises when you get a team like Kenaston who has lots of good local talent and then absolutely break the bank on imports. The format is not the problem, its how much a lot of these teams are paying. Lots of teams out there have good local talent, maybe not as much as Craik, Kenaston and Kyle in D, but when teams like Kenaston start paying out what they are for guys those smaller centers just cant compete. I like the idea of basing it off population and number of imports.
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Post by steeball on Dec 19, 2022 20:15:55 GMT -6
Can I go back to the purpose of my original post? It was very much to find a way to have some meaningful yet competitive playoffs for senior teams that could not compete in the current system, not to up-heave the current system. In rural areas the reality is some teams can't compete, why not make regional championships for teams with no imports? No Banner chasing, just local teams seeing different teams and extending their season to help the local rink.
It may be glorified rec, but a lot of small towns that could have more competitive games and sell some rink burgers and beer might appreciate it.
But Craik is not allowed to enter lol.
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Post by ppbluesfan24 on Dec 19, 2022 20:45:57 GMT -6
Do most leagues not have some sort of elite rule somewhere in the constitution? That seems to be the way it’s going, there’s less and less locals in smaller towns so it makes it tough for a lot of towns to enter provincials because quite a few leagues have some form of elite rule to make the team viable for league play, however if they were to enter provs they would have to cut top guys or go A, and with the talent pool in A it’s just not realistic so most team dont bother. hockey Sask should look into going this direction instead of population changes. A (unlimited elites) B (10 elites) C (5 elites) D (3 elites) You could also have a hometown rule where if you have an elite from your hometown he’s an exception. It would stop the need for towns having to worry about population. this would make a town of 1500 with only 8-10 locals to pick from able to scoop up some house league or AA players from surrounding areas or cities without having to go A with the population guide. I like the way provincials are right now, but I think this would definitely have more teams signing up. This is a nice idea. |
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Post by Gunit on Dec 19, 2022 21:22:29 GMT -6
Do most leagues not have some sort of elite rule somewhere in the constitution? That seems to be the way it’s going, there’s less and less locals in smaller towns so it makes it tough for a lot of towns to enter provincials because quite a few leagues have some form of elite rule to make the team viable for league play, however if they were to enter provs they would have to cut top guys or go A, and with the talent pool in A it’s just not realistic so most team dont bother. hockey Sask should look into going this direction instead of population changes. A (unlimited elites) B (10 elites) C (5 elites) D (3 elites) You could also have a hometown rule where if you have an elite from your hometown he’s an exception. It would stop the need for towns having to worry about population. this would make a town of 1500 with only 8-10 locals to pick from able to scoop up some house league or AA players from surrounding areas or cities without having to go A with the population guide. Exactly, that’s the point I was making as well. Unless we start allowing more non elites not much will change. |
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