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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 8:27:23 GMT -6
Post by Big Dog on Mar 22, 2024 8:27:23 GMT -6
Not a super high paying league? Cmon now. Kenaston, Eston, Davidson, Craik, Dinsmore… all spend lots lol, are you kidding me. Craik only pays there goalie I’m told they paid less than $3000 for the entire season. And secondly I’m pretty sure Craik wasn’t on Watrous’s email list. Can confirm Craik was contacted. Watrous should apply to the SV if they want to play Craik Davidson Kenaston.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 8:51:51 GMT -6
Post by LLHL INSIDEERRRRR on Mar 22, 2024 8:51:51 GMT -6
I’ve commented before on the effort some imports put out for the money they get to play ( I assume $). Now here we are shuffling teams around to make it more convenient for the players. Talk of Wynyard foamlake Wadena being left out of a good league because it’s too far from Saskatoon. Not sure if location matters as much as money. Several teams dropped out of Hhl and Qvhl that were close to Regina. Things like week day games , need for weekend off aren’t big deterrents when you can make $1000 tax free on a weekend some guys make close to $20k tax free for a season . That’s close to a mortgage payment on a decent house or car payment on a bmw. I think some teams also provide a team van . What happens when employees start to run the business? Biggest threat to rural teams is lack of kids and the resulting loss of local talent to field a team Can’t pay everyone I don’t think for the majority of teams nowadays the bulk of the players are coming from Saskatoon. don't think this is about making it more convenient for imports at all, also there were rumours about a couple of teams folding which would bring the LLHL down to 5 teams... and like you mention here the lack of local kids... how many kids are there actually from leroy that are playing? 2? 3? how many years can they survive trying to pull guys in from other areas just to make a team. The money is the money... its not going anywhere... impossible to use a salary cap, and it will always go in cycles... teams get good, they win, have guys retire, other teams get tired of getting beat so they fundraise and spend more and they get good. and round and round it goes. it used to be $100-150 per game was a big deal... now that doesn't cover the gas to drive to foam lake and back from saskatoon. People seem to forget everything is costing more these days. Do players need to get paid $500-600 a game? hell no, but there are teams that will pay it so here we are. and just about every team has a van for the city guys... its a smart move saves money in the end rather than paying 3 vehicles worth of gas a game. think about Wadena for example, and Wynyard... both teams have played approx 30 games this year likely saving about 150-200 a game in fuel by having a van. that's 4500-6000 in fuel savings in a year. won't take long to pay for a van at that rate and likely had a sponsor/sponsors help with the purchase of it.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 10:29:18 GMT -6
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Post by Fact on Mar 22, 2024 10:29:18 GMT -6
The money players are asking for is steep and it’s bs. But let’s call a spade a spade. It’s not 1980. People live in and around the city centres of Saskatoon and Regina, not where 75% of the 100+ Sask Senior teams are located. If you want local players accept a far inferior level of hockey. Senior hockey should be for players who want to play higher level hockey doesn’t matter where from. Not a matter of chasing a check. It’s too bad but hey here we are.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 11:49:56 GMT -6
Post by slickrick on Mar 22, 2024 11:49:56 GMT -6
This isn't just a problem in the LLHL. Small towns are dwindling. Period
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Mar 22, 2024 11:59:25 GMT -6
Post by LLHL INSIDEERRRRR on Mar 22, 2024 11:59:25 GMT -6
This isn't just a problem in the LLHL. Small towns are dwindling. Period very true... and if we changed the rules and only allowed a few imports to focus on locals, Drake, Leroy, would be done for sure... and towns like Watrous, Wynyard Lanigan would have small rosters as well. most of the kids nowadays if they were 3rd liners on their midget team are destined for rec hockey.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 16:58:51 GMT -6
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Post by No thanks on Mar 22, 2024 16:58:51 GMT -6
I talk to players and management from many teams in many leagues over the years. But Irecently I have heard from at least 5 teams in the SVHL that they are doubtful that they will be able to field a team in as little as 3 to 5 years. And not entirely because of money needed to buy imports, but because there is almost nothing coming up through minor hockey. In fact many towns with good senior teams have no minor hockey at all. I can see towns like central butte - Loreburn combining or craik- Davidson or lucky lake - dinsmore or lanigan -Leroy. It’s likely the only way senior hockey survives.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 17:18:56 GMT -6
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Post by No thanks on Mar 22, 2024 17:18:56 GMT -6
Senior hockey is also weird in the fact that small towns have to get a facility that everyone likes, then fundraise to operate, and finally rely on local fans to support it. All so city players and imports can play something other adult safe hockey while the local lesser skilled players get relegated to line 3 or 4. Then I hear comments that senior hockey should be for the good players only. All these things make me wonder why small towns even bother. I love senior hockey, but it’s a joke when you think about it.
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Watrous
Mar 22, 2024 17:20:17 GMT -6
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Post by rr11 on Mar 22, 2024 17:20:17 GMT -6
I talk to players and management from many teams in many leagues over the years. But Irecently I have heard from at least 5 teams in the SVHL that they are doubtful that they will be able to field a team in as little as 3 to 5 years. And not entirely because of money needed to buy imports, but because there is almost nothing coming up through minor hockey. In fact many towns with good senior teams have no minor hockey at all. I can see towns like central butte - Loreburn combining or craik- Davidson or lucky lake - dinsmore or lanigan -Leroy. It’s likely the only way senior hockey survives. Nothing new...Loreburn and Dinsmore combined well over 10 years ago. Kenaston and Hanley combined even longer ago. Lucky Lake and Dinsmore have combined as well in previous years. And you're correct in it will happen again that towns will combine when need be. However Loreburn-Central Butte or Davidson-Craik combining? Hell would freeze over before that would happen...that be like Watrous-Lanigan combining or Southey-Raymore!
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Post by Old dog on Mar 22, 2024 20:13:50 GMT -6
We will see a coed league form . Every team will have to have 5 girls. 1 complete change of girls that play against the other girls Blow whistle after 90 seconds and boys come out Ex huskie girls get paid big $ What you think ?
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Watrous
Mar 23, 2024 13:20:56 GMT -6
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Post by johnnywhitehog on Mar 23, 2024 13:20:56 GMT -6
Senior hockey is also weird in the fact that small towns have to get a facility that everyone likes, then fundraise to operate, and finally rely on local fans to support it. All so city players and imports can play something other adult safe hockey while the local lesser skilled players get relegated to line 3 or 4. Then I hear comments that senior hockey should be for the good players only. All these things make me wonder why small towns even bother. I love senior hockey, but it’s a joke when you think about it. On the flip side, senior keeps some of these small town rinks alive. It’s a lot of work no doubt to run a team, but it’s good for the towns. The other option would be to have something like a 8 team Saskatoon Senior Hockey League and a 8 team Regina Senior Hockey League with all teams playing out of the cities. I don’t think anyone in small town Sask would want that.
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Watrous
Mar 23, 2024 16:57:42 GMT -6
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Post by Whalers on Mar 23, 2024 16:57:42 GMT -6
Senior hockey is also weird in the fact that small towns have to get a facility that everyone likes, then fundraise to operate, and finally rely on local fans to support it. All so city players and imports can play something other adult safe hockey while the local lesser skilled players get relegated to line 3 or 4. Then I hear comments that senior hockey should be for the good players only. All these things make me wonder why small towns even bother. I love senior hockey, but it’s a joke when you think about it. On the flip side, senior keeps some of these small town rinks alive. It’s a lot of work no doubt to run a team, but it’s good for the towns. The other option would be to have something like a 8 team Saskatoon Senior Hockey League and a 8 team Regina Senior Hockey League with all teams playing out of the cities. I don’t think anyone in small town Sask would want that. Nobody would go watch…. That’s the thing about small town senior hockey. The 3-6 locals that are good enough to play and fundraise or have some deep pocket sponsor bring a lot of pride to that town. Some still have grandma and grandpa or nieces and nephews that come and watch. They have buddies dad that coached them when they were kids. You have the 10-15 old guys that played 20-30 year ago that coke to every game. Most of all they are the biggest thing in a town where the pub is completely dead. It’s a social outing for the whole community to enjoy 10 - 15 nights of the year. You can’t make that happen in a city
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Watrous
Mar 23, 2024 18:46:22 GMT -6
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Post by Guest Name on Mar 23, 2024 18:46:22 GMT -6
You had me at “coke”
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Mar 23, 2024 19:41:50 GMT -6
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Post by Old dog on Mar 23, 2024 19:41:50 GMT -6
Yah Hockey is struggling to attract fans in rural because of rural depop even Sjhl is on death bed. If it came down to no local players on the team Nobody would watch a city league Be like adult safe
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Mar 23, 2024 21:18:27 GMT -6
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Post by phillthecup on Mar 23, 2024 21:18:27 GMT -6
I was on the board of a team who was all locals and didn't win. We had hardly any fans. We brought 3 imports in and had the rest locals. The fans doubled. Then we brought 2 more imports in and had 3 deep season with one banner being hung. The rink was half full for most league games and full for playoffs and provincials.
A few years later we went for a provincial A run and loaded up. The rink was empty because we had only half a team of locals.
It's hard to please everyone.
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Watrous
Mar 23, 2024 23:39:40 GMT -6
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Post by Yokel on Mar 23, 2024 23:39:40 GMT -6
I was on the board of a team who was all locals and didn't win. We had hardly any fans. We brought 3 imports in and had the rest locals. The fans doubled. Then we brought 2 more imports in and had 3 deep season with one banner being hung. The rink was half full for most league games and full for playoffs and provincials. A few years later we went for a provincial A run and loaded up. The rink was empty because we had only half a team of locals. It's hard to please everyone. Seems to me the best way to please most is the in between option. Supplement the actual locals with a few imports. In your case and I think a lot of others would be the same.
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