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Post by zambonidriver on Oct 29, 2024 15:13:33 GMT -6
So Serious question. it seems like a lot of people are not pleased with the recent changes made to Provincial divisions. there was some good discussion in the Prov B forum about suggestions that would even out the division a bit more and stop forcing teams to go in divisions that they just get smoked in.
Any appetite for a petition from the leagues to get changes that make sense?
as far as what type of changes this is the thread to discuss that.
lets hear it.......
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Post by ppbluesfan24 on Oct 29, 2024 16:07:35 GMT -6
Make it strictly based on population and number of imports. League roster should have no impact on your provincial roster. Every league has such vastly different import rules. For example, the wheatland allows 11 imports (elite and non elite) and goalies are exempt. Extreme example: but hypothetically under current rules, if you wanted to go D/C you'd have to drop half your roster and only be able to replace 3 of them. Even if those 3 replacements are local. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of the current format. Old format was straightforward and made sense, no idea why it was changed.
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Post by zambonidriver on Oct 29, 2024 16:18:47 GMT -6
Make it strictly based on population and number of imports. League roster should have no impact on your provincial roster. Every league has such vastly different import rules. For example, the wheatland allows 11 imports (elite and non elite) and goalies are exempt. Extreme example: but hypothetically under current rules, if you wanted to go D/C you'd have to drop half your roster and only be able to replace 3 of them. Even if those 3 replacements are local. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of the current format. Old format was straightforward and made sense, no idea why it was changed. so talking about leagues and their import rules is a good start, because most teams don't want to make big changes to their teams for various reasons. scared of losing players to other teams, loyalty etc. Cross roads- none ? Longlake 4 plus 3 exceptions Notekue- 3 imports, locals don’t count Prairie mean, 3 imports Qvhhl- 4 imports, 3 grandfather, 4 junior b Sask Alta- couldn’t find anything Sask east- 4 imports ? Sask prairie 3 imports Svhl- 5 imports Saskwest- 4 imports? Twin rivers- 3 imports Wheatland, 6 imports, goalies don’t count White mud- 3 or 4? this is what i have, please chime in. |
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Post by strainer12 on Oct 29, 2024 17:05:56 GMT -6
Make it strictly based on population and number of imports. League roster should have no impact on your provincial roster. Every league has such vastly different import rules. For example, the wheatland allows 11 imports (elite and non elite) and goalies are exempt. Extreme example: but hypothetically under current rules, if you wanted to go D/C you'd have to drop half your roster and only be able to replace 3 of them. Even if those 3 replacements are local. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of the current format. Old format was straightforward and made sense, no idea why it was changed. so talking about leagues and their import rules is a good start, because most teams don't want to make big changes to their teams for various reasons. scared of losing players to other teams, loyalty etc. Cross roads- none ? Longlake 4 plus 3 exceptions Notekue- 3 imports, locals don’t count Prairie mean, 3 imports Qvhhl- 4 imports, 3 grandfather, 4 junior b Sask Alta- couldn’t find anything Sask east- 4 imports ? Sask prairie 3 imports Svhl- 5 imports Saskwest- 4 imports? Twin rivers- 3 imports Wheatland, 6 imports, goalies don’t count White mud- 3 or 4? this is what i have, please chime in. Twin Rivers and SPHL have unlimited imports, but only 3 elite players. |
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Post by johnnywhitehog on Oct 29, 2024 17:28:46 GMT -6
D = 1 - 2000 population, 3 imports
C = 2001 - 3000 population, 4 imports
B = 3001 - 5000 population, 5 imports
A = Open and unlimited imports
Some other notes:
1. 3 consecutive years as a import with same team, you are now a local.
2. Midget AAA and Junior B players are unlimited.
3. Goalies do not count as import status. All are considered local.
4. Import is considered 50 games of Junior A or higher.
5. Over 35 as of Sept 1, you are not import and considered a local.
Just my ideas to bring back some life and get more teams entering Senior provincials again.
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Post by ppbluesfan24 on Oct 29, 2024 17:37:57 GMT -6
Make it strictly based on population and number of imports. League roster should have no impact on your provincial roster. Every league has such vastly different import rules. For example, the wheatland allows 11 imports (elite and non elite) and goalies are exempt. Extreme example: but hypothetically under current rules, if you wanted to go D/C you'd have to drop half your roster and only be able to replace 3 of them. Even if those 3 replacements are local. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of the current format. Old format was straightforward and made sense, no idea why it was changed. so talking about leagues and their import rules is a good start, because most teams don't want to make big changes to their teams for various reasons. scared of losing players to other teams, loyalty etc. Cross roads- none ? Longlake 4 plus 3 exceptions Notekue- 3 imports, locals don’t count Prairie mean, 3 imports Qvhhl- 4 imports, 3 grandfather, 4 junior b Sask Alta- couldn’t find anything Sask east- 4 imports ? Sask prairie 3 imports Svhl- 5 imports Saskwest- 4 imports? Twin rivers- 3 imports Wheatland, 6 imports, goalies don’t count White mud- 3 or 4? this is what i have, please chime in. Wheatland allows 6 imports and 5 non-elite, with 2 goalies you could have 13 imports on a roster |
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Post by Provys on Oct 29, 2024 18:11:46 GMT -6
D = 1 - 2000 population, 3 imports C = 2001 - 3000 population, 4 imports B = 3001 - 5000 population, 5 imports A = Open and unlimited imports Some other notes: 1. 3 consecutive years as a import with same team, you are now a local. 2. Midget AAA and Junior B players are unlimited. 3. Goalies do not count as import status. All are considered local. 4. Import is considered 50 games of Junior A or higher. 5. Over 35 as of Sept 1, you are not import and considered a local. Just my ideas to bring back some life and get more teams entering Senior provincials again. This is the way to go. There needs to be a way to supplement rosters with non-elite players to make a full roster without them counting towards population. |
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Post by ppbluesfan24 on Oct 29, 2024 18:33:12 GMT -6
D = 1 - 2000 population, 3 imports C = 2001 - 3000 population, 4 imports B = 3001 - 5000 population, 5 imports A = Open and unlimited imports Some other notes: 1. 3 consecutive years as a import with same team, you are now a local. 2. Midget AAA and Junior B players are unlimited. 3. Goalies do not count as import status. All are considered local. 4. Import is considered 50 games of Junior A or higher. 5. Over 35 as of Sept 1, you are not import and considered a local. Just my ideas to bring back some life and get more teams entering Senior provincials again. sounds similar to TRHL rules. Are you suggesting unlimited imports, but limited number of elites? Would an elite local player still be considered local? |
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Post by hugehorn on Oct 29, 2024 19:53:46 GMT -6
Without adding an import spot or two to B, to differentiate it from C/D, the B division will remain dead. Would be ideal if HockeySask could resolve this over the next few weeks otherwise it’ll be too late, and we’ll have a 2nd straight year without a B banner awarded.
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Post by johnnywhitehog on Oct 29, 2024 21:16:23 GMT -6
D = 1 - 2000 population, 3 imports C = 2001 - 3000 population, 4 imports B = 3001 - 5000 population, 5 imports A = Open and unlimited imports Some other notes: 1. 3 consecutive years as a import with same team, you are now a local. 2. Midget AAA and Junior B players are unlimited. 3. Goalies do not count as import status. All are considered local. 4. Import is considered 50 games of Junior A or higher. 5. Over 35 as of Sept 1, you are not import and considered a local. Just my ideas to bring back some life and get more teams entering Senior provincials again. sounds similar to TRHL rules. Are you suggesting unlimited imports, but limited number of elites? Would an elite local player still be considered local? Not really unlimited imports, just more so trying to keep senior provincials alive. Most towns don’t have enough local kids playing high level to keep it going long term. But if there is a Midget AAA or Junior B kid from Saskatoon say, and he wants to play senior he should not count towards anything. Personally I think if your a local to a town and say played Dub or Pro, you just are a local. |
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Post by ppbluesfan24 on Oct 29, 2024 21:24:45 GMT -6
sounds similar to TRHL rules. Are you suggesting unlimited imports, but limited number of elites? Would an elite local player still be considered local? Not really unlimited imports, just more so trying to keep senior provincials alive. Most towns don’t have enough local kids playing high level to keep it going long term. But if there is a Midget AAA or Junior B kid from Saskatoon say, and he wants to play senior he should not count towards anything. Personally I think if your a local to a town and say played Dub or Pro, you just are a local. okay, just wanted to clarify. In that case, I'm very much in agreeance. |
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Post by zambonidriver on Oct 30, 2024 11:37:41 GMT -6
Not really unlimited imports, just more so trying to keep senior provincials alive. Most towns don’t have enough local kids playing high level to keep it going long term. But if there is a Midget AAA or Junior B kid from Saskatoon say, and he wants to play senior he should not count towards anything. Personally I think if your a local to a town and say played Dub or Pro, you just are a local. okay, just wanted to clarify. In that case, I'm very much in agreeance. I think the only league in the province that calls locals with dub and over 50-60 games Jr a experience an import is the Twin Rivers. and to me that's ridiculous, you grow up in that town and your an import??? |
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Post by dufe92 on Oct 30, 2024 11:48:20 GMT -6
okay, just wanted to clarify. In that case, I'm very much in agreeance. I think the only league in the province that calls locals with dub and over 50-60 games Jr a experience an import is the Twin Rivers. and to me that's ridiculous, you grow up in that town and your an import??? Sphl like that as well |
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Post by zambonidriver on Oct 30, 2024 11:49:57 GMT -6
D = 1 - 2000 population, 3 imports C = 2001 - 3000 population, 4 imports B = 3001 - 5000 population, 5 imports A = Open and unlimited imports Some other notes: 1. 3 consecutive years as a import with same team, you are now a local. 2. Midget AAA and Junior B players are unlimited. 3. Goalies do not count as import status. All are considered local. 4. Import is considered 50 games of Junior A or higher. 5. Over 35 as of Sept 1, you are not import and considered a local. Just my ideas to bring back some life and get more teams entering Senior provincials again. really like this setup. I know for the LLHL they allow up to 3 exceptions (play 3 years and your a local) this is about as clean as you could make it i feel. |
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Post by connoisseur on Oct 30, 2024 13:10:38 GMT -6
okay, just wanted to clarify. In that case, I'm very much in agreeance. I think the only league in the province that calls locals with dub and over 50-60 games Jr a experience an import is the Twin Rivers. and to me that's ridiculous, you grow up in that town and your an import??? It’s not really ridiculous. Thats how they want the Twin Rivers to be. It’s geared towards having AA and junior b guys from the city fill out small town teams. If they allow local elites to not count towards their 3 elites, you’ll just end up with a bunch of guys who “live in clavet”. Thats not the function of the league. |
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