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Post by Guest on Feb 27, 2023 22:13:29 GMT -6
I know there’s been a lot of talk about this recently and there wasn’t a good answer. But what if provincials wasn’t based off of imports. And based off # of elite players as below:
Elite player = anyone with more than 60 games played at jr A level or higher. Elite status goes away after ten years removed from your last Jr/college/pro season
A Provincials - any team with 9 or more elite players.
B Provincials- between 4-9 elite players.
C Provincials- less than 4 elite players.
You can adjust the #’s if you want or create a 4th division. But this would create the best level of competition for provincials and also probably get a lot more teams entering at the lower level that don’t have to play teams loaded with elite talent.
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Post by skipbayless on Feb 27, 2023 22:42:09 GMT -6
I know there’s been a lot of talk about this recently and there wasn’t a good answer. But what if provincials wasn’t based off of imports. And based off # of elite players as below: Elite player = anyone with more than 60 games played at jr A level or higher. Elite status goes away after ten years removed from your last Jr/college/pro season A Provincials - any team with 9 or more elite players. B Provincials- between 4-9 elite players. C Provincials- less than 4 elite players. You can adjust the #’s if you want or create a 4th division. But this would create the best level of competition for provincials and also probably get a lot more teams entering at the lower level that don’t have to play teams loaded with elite talent. Elite status is dumb in my opinion, an import is an import. |
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Post by Guest account on Feb 27, 2023 23:02:08 GMT -6
Why not just have players without junior a experience not count towards population. Could maybe help more teams enter with there league team. If that were the case though I think they would have to move the population's for each division back to what they were a few years ago.
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Post by PierreMaguire on Feb 28, 2023 10:14:39 GMT -6
I know there’s been a lot of talk about this recently and there wasn’t a good answer. But what if provincials wasn’t based off of imports. And based off # of elite players as below: Elite player = anyone with more than 60 games played at jr A level or higher. Elite status goes away after ten years removed from your last Jr/college/pro season A Provincials - any team with 9 or more elite players. B Provincials- between 4-9 elite players. C Provincials- less than 4 elite players. You can adjust the #’s if you want or create a 4th division. But this would create the best level of competition for provincials and also probably get a lot more teams entering at the lower level that don’t have to play teams loaded with elite talent. Elite status is dumb in my opinion, an import is an import. Couldn't disagree more. A guy with 300 AHL games played compared to some kid who never played higher than house should not count the same as "imports" just because the house league kid is from a few towns over. Brutal take. |
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Post by lightning on Feb 28, 2023 11:11:20 GMT -6
What about a hybrid where you have elite imports and non elite imports? There are a lot of ex junior B and lower players that would be decent players in a lot of leagues. Not really good, but maybe good enough to have a few more teams enter provincials. You would probably get a lot more senior hockey players in general from the city who aren't currently good enough to be an import but still get a chance to play senior hockey.
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Post by sexycoil5000 on Feb 28, 2023 13:29:17 GMT -6
Why not just have players without junior a experience not count towards population. Could maybe help more teams enter with there league team. If that were the case though I think they would have to move the population's for each division back to what they were a few years ago. This.... is good. Would be a game changer for provincials! I hope Kelly reads this one because I think its a great suggestion. |
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Post by johnnywhitehog on Feb 28, 2023 14:44:55 GMT -6
With that format you are saying you can have unlimited Midget AAA, Midget AA and Junior B players?
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Post by Pierre Maguire on Feb 28, 2023 14:53:14 GMT -6
With that format you are saying you can have unlimited Midget AAA, Midget AA and Junior B players? Any Midget AAA or Junior B player who wasn't good enough to make junior A will have close to 0 major impact in senior on a good team outside of a 3rd line checker or 4-6 D role... Midget AA is pathetic I don't even need to comment on that. |
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Post by zambonidriver on Feb 28, 2023 14:58:18 GMT -6
This is how the LLHL does it. Your allowed 4 elite and 4 non elite imports.
Elite = someone who’s played more than 80 games of junior A or higher.
And the same exemption rule as hockey sask uses for provs.
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Post by skipbayless on Feb 28, 2023 18:15:14 GMT -6
Elite status is dumb in my opinion, an import is an import. Couldn't disagree more. A guy with 300 AHL games played compared to some kid who never played higher than house should not count the same as "imports" just because the house league kid is from a few towns over. Brutal take. Brutal analogy, if the kid is from "a few towns over" wouldn't he just be a local then if he's within the radius and the population fits? Don't know of too many good senior teams that carry house league kids out of the cities as imports regardless... Also, you can argue that there are lots of JR B level players that would be considered non-elite that are better Senior players than guys with JR A or WHL games. Look at a team like Kyle for example, they have a half dozen local guys that fit that description. |
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Post by phillthecup on Feb 28, 2023 19:01:25 GMT -6
Couldn't disagree more. A guy with 300 AHL games played compared to some kid who never played higher than house should not count the same as "imports" just because the house league kid is from a few towns over. Brutal take. Brutal analogy, if the kid is from "a few towns over" wouldn't he just be a local then if he's within the radius and the population fits? Don't know of too many good senior teams that carry house league kids out of the cities as imports regardless... Also, you can argue that there are lots of JR B level players that would be considered non-elite that are better Senior players than guys with JR A or WHL games. Look at a team like Kyle for example, they have a half dozen local guys that fit that description. I think he means some guys from towns like Tisdale, Weyburn, Yorkton, etc. No one really takes a former AA, AAA, or jr b from those towns unless you can't find anyone else. |
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Post by Guest account on Feb 28, 2023 21:30:30 GMT -6
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I think he means some guys from towns like Tisdale, Weyburn, Yorkton, etc. No one really takes a former AA, AAA, or jr b from those towns unless you can't find anyone else. [/quote]
That's exactly what I mean. But I'd even go further to add any city over 3000. let's be real, no team is going to go out and load up with 15 of the best junior b players they can find and fill out the roster with guys who played sj/whl or pro, getting rid of all there AA, and AAA locals in the process. Plus if that is going to be a problem you could have the guy's only exempt if they played with that team in there league. Could maybe increase the entries a bit, but at the same time it may just lead to a pile of blowouts??
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Post by Guest account on Feb 28, 2023 21:36:15 GMT -6
But there is also a severe ref shortage in the province at the moment, so is trying to increase the number of teams entering really a good thing? I don't know maybe it's just best how it is for now.
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